Sunday, February 18, 2018

Rocana and his new writer Torben Nielsen

Torben Nielsen has now emerged as Rocana's biggest defender and article writer. Torben now says there is "no evidence" Rocana has supported the GBC's "institutional gurus." Fine. Except, Rocana has been a member of the GBC's "50 man guru reform" committee way back in the 1980s, which created the whole "guru voting" (institutional rubber stamped guru) program in 1986 in the first place.

Yep! Rocana is thus a co-founder father / co-architect of the "voted in" GBC's institutional guru program. Yet Torben says Rocana has no connection to this institutional guru process, when in fact Rocana is one of the original founder fathers of that process. And as we all know, that process helped create their illicit behavior and sexual predator guru's parampara. That means the GBC / Rocana program has a long way to go to produce even standard institutional gurus, for example the mayavada institutional gurus are not manifesting debauchee behaviors.

The "50 man guru reformers" indeed not only voted in a bunch of bogus institutional gurus in 1986, they extended their plan -- that they would vote in many more in future (as they do even now). The 1986 "reformers" also reinstated Bhavananda as their acharya, and excommunicated Sulochana. OK the "reformers" helped reinstate their "sex with taxi driver's" pada acharya, and helped repress Sulochana (which lead to Sulochana being murdered shortly after). 

Of course Rocana's ilk have consistently repressed us all along, and still do. Did we forget to mention, that by suppressing Sulochana / backing and promoting Kirtanananda and Bhavananda, this de facto caused Sulochana's death by making him "an offender." A number of people say the reformers have his blood on their hands for painting Sulochana in this way? And this is the program Torben endorses?

And ever since 1986 Rocana has ALL ALONG promoted the institutional guru idea, that the GBC will vote in and vote out members (i.e. gurus) as found in his recent "ISKCON constitution":

Yet Torben says he is unaware of Rocana's "constitution," and he claims to have never read it. So Torben is promoting Rocana's site, and becoming the main writer / contributor to that site, without even reading the contents? Yes, Rocana promoted the idea that the GBC will "make and manage" gurus, and he has been with that idea all along. And his so-called constitution PROVES he still promotes the GBC and their guru voting / managing / monitoring / censuring etc. shennanigans.

Rocana has said that we simply need to tighten up the controls and GBC's "rule enforcement" for their wayward gurus. Yep, we need a bigger paddle to spank down their wayward messiahs! OK, who placed the GBC / Rocana in charge of monitoring the successors to God? Never answered! 

In sum, there is not a "false guru problem," there is an "enforcement of deviating gurus problem." Yep! The GBC is "too slow to implement ISKCON's lawbook rules for gurus" -- and that is the problem. Worship of bank robbers is not the problem, the police needing to get to the bank faster to monitor and correct the robbers is the problem. 

And that is going to fix the problem?

Except, gurus are NOT deviating and would then NOT be in need of GBC fixing and monitoring? What kind of guru needs to be monitored by a committee? And if the GBC's "guru management committee" creates huge deviations, for example reinstates sex with taxi drivers as their acharyas, why would Rocana want himself or anyone else to be part of such a bogus committee process? And why would Torben promote this process by promoting Rocana?

Torben says any Prabhupada disciple can become a diksha guru. Right, well anyone can become a pure devotee, but the parampara has only 32 members listed for a period of 5,000 years. Its rare that anyone becomes a pure devotee readily. Generally this takes lifetimes, perhaps many.

Yes, Torben has been sending me links to Rocana, who has been the biggest cheer leader of these neophyte gurus since 1978. The Rocana system censures, suspends and monitors their neophyte gurus, which is proof they are making neophytes into gurus. Yes, Torben has sent me links to that site a number of times. 

So Torben thinks there will be a guru, and he and Rocana will be following their "ISKCON constitution" and censuring and chastising their gurus. Yep, Torben is the boss of the acharyas along with Rocana. In other words Torben and Rocana think they are the head masters of the acharyas' classroom, and that is why Torben sends me links to the main exponent of that process. 

Their gurus need "2/3 show of hands voting in," with subsequent correcting, monitoring, censuring, suspending etc. and Torben sends me links to these folks; And then he says this is not an institutional guru process? OK, but a guru who needs to be censured for deviations is a conditioned soul. OK that means Torben is supporting the institutional / CONDITIONED SOUL guru process, and its chief creator /  co-founder / cheer leader ... Rocana.

Then Torben says he wants original books. No, he says that the people who sued the GBC to get original books are bogus ritviks, and that the ritvik program is offensive and needs to be dismantled. OK, so the people who got the rights to print originals, and they are printing and distributing originals, needs to be dismantled. That means he wants to dismantle the program that is getting the rights to originals, and is printing and distributing originals. Meanwhile Torben and Rocana are NOT printing and distributing originals on the scale the Prabhupadanugas are doing. So its clear, Torben wants to SUPPRESS the originals, just like the GBC.

Then Torben says Srila Prabhupada is the guru of everyone, but he is not the "official" guru of everyone. And the official guru is, well then Torben says -- we are too nosy to even ask, its not our business, and we have no need to know. So there is an official guru, but there is no need to know who he is? 

How do we know that Torben is not himself the official guru of the program he claims to part of? He won't say who it is, how do we know its not himself? There is a guru who can save the world, but we cannot tell others who it is. OK, so you have no interest in saving the world.  

Anyway, the Rocana 50 man committee program eventually voted in Jayadvaita, and he was then made their main writer / editor. And this has nothing to do with the book changes? Sorry, this has everything to do with these changes. Yet Torben says Rocana's guru reform program to promote Jayadvaita as their star writer / editor has no bearing on these books changes? How is that possible? Anyway, people are always trying to re-write this history, good luck! Problem is, too many folks already know it.

ys pd

[PS: This all started because we were discussing Rocana's other clone Hanuman Croatia]

Friday, February 16, 2018

Temple opening report (Inbliss)

Prithu Putra and Malati Dasi (Melanie Nagel)

Former France devotee Prithu Putra (Maharaja) was one of the members of the "later days" (1977) Srila Prabhupada servant's group, specifically around the time Srila Prabhupada complained of being given poison. What we heard is that in 1978 Prithu Putra left ISKCON and went home to his relatives, where he allegedly told them "Srila Prabhupada was poisoned and killed by his top leaders, ISKCON is finished." 

Since he was in the company of the main group of top suspects in the poison complaint, he might have overheard something suspicious. Or he may have simply somehow or other uncovered their plot by other means. Worse, he may have aided the poison sabha group. He certainly aided them in the sense that he apparently knew about the top leader's criminal conspiracies, even the poison issue, but he chose not to alert the devotee community of these problems or crimes. Never mind this was the crime of the century for the vaishnava community.

It seems he later suffered a lot from knowing things and not speaking up. Who knows, Srila Prabhupada might have been saved at least for the short term, if some of these people had spoken up as soon as they found out there was a problem, we will never know.

Then Prithu Putra becomes a self advertised Satanic worship leader, and he teams ups with (now GBC) Malati dasi (Melanie Nagel). He never told her he was thinking there was a poison plot? And they started a sort of "Hare Krishna punk rocker" program where Malati wore very short mini-skirts and lots of make up, at least according to a person who met them at the airport. Prithu Putra was later alleged to have been involved in a "human sacrifice murder," but I am not sure what was the end result, or even if he was ever charged officially? There are those who say he was "set up" by disgruntled competing Satanists. Let us know ( 

Malati now says that ISKCON is "Srila Prabhupada's house." Why did she leave the house? Was she not also discouraged by the bogus GBC's gurus? She had to leave the house just like a lot of the rest of us did, and now she says its all fine over there? Why was she attracted to Prithu Putra? And why was she apparently making illustrations for Prithu Putra's "Satanic Worship" pamphlets? And why was she made a leader now, with her track record?

This is unfortunately the same type of problem we had with the Janardan / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks. Sanat's wife was a teacher who told PADA's editor she was aware of Satsvarupa's gurukula's molesting problem, but she did not go to the police because "the main perp was a minor." Wait! The main perp had been allegedly molested himself, and he was merely doing same to others -- as he had been taught. So he was not only a perp, he was a victim. Maybe the first victim. 

OK, the victim's / perp's age is not the real issue here, its a smokescreen. We needed to go to the police / FBI / media and report the head leaders of the school, like Satsvarupa and other senior mangers responsible for orchestrating these schools where minors are being molested. Yep! It was never about the age of the perp, these folks simply failed to protect the children in their charge, and the society at large. Nor did they self-evidently notify the other parents in the overall ISKCON society of this issue. 

OK it looks like they were protecting Satsvarupa and his evil Kirtanananda loving empire. Oh boo hoo we could not report the perp because he was also a victim. No! We report the LEADERS of that school to the police for allowing and facilitating abuse.

And the poison issue was known to at least a few people, but it was similarly NOT REPORTED to the mass of devotees who would have benefited by knowing. People were shocked and surprised when we bought the tape out in 1997, "what the heck is this all about"?  

So the abuse cover up folks are more or less like this Prithu Putra character, they wanted to help the evil doers GBC program cover up the crimes, whether poison complaint or abuse or whatever it is. Then this abuse lover's club later said PADA is the problem, of course, because we checked their abuse program. Self-evidently they love to keep their abuse programs going on unchecked. 

Prahlad even says he wants to help the GBC goons come and kill those of us protesting his child abuse guru process. We all have to bow down and worship Prahlad's sexual predators as our messiahs program, and have our kids doing the same. And we have to allow more and more minors to be victimized, or we have to be killed for protesting and saving more and more little ones from being victims, yep servants of Satan. This is a big problem all round, people find out about crimes and simply clam up and keep quiet. In any case, Prithu Putra later died and this may have been related to his over-indulgent lifestyle related to his suppressing the truth.     

Was Devil worship connected to the poison issue? 

Good question. It certainly was de facto. Its is odd that some of these players ended up the way they did, and it sort of explains why Srila Prabhupada, the women and children, the brahmanas, the cows, and so many others were victimized by these people involved in this process, either by omission or commission. 

I feel really sorry for all these folks, they flew up so close to Krishna only to fall away in a spectacular tail-spin aircraft nose dive crash. Of course another devotee who gave me some grief later had a big beard, he claimed he could put evil eye curses on others, and he was looking pretty much like Satan as well. He too died of over-indulgent lifestyle. He would not help us fix anything. Satan would be happy. ys pd     

All hail Lord Satan! 

Illustrations by Melanie Nagel (Malati?)

Radhanath forces devotee's head to Jayapataka's feet.

Radhanath is physically pushing down a devotee into bowing down to / touching feet of Jayapataka forcibly? After JPS is already suffering like a dog from taking sins? They are killing the guy! There is another video of a Radhanath kirtan where there does not seem to be any "Jaya Prabhupada."

Yes, a number of our God brothers encouraged the 11 to be diksha gurus and take sins, despite Srila Prabhupada told us repeatedly -- if we became diksha gurus we would be overburdened by taking sins. Radhanath already finished off Kirtanananda by this process and now he is working on taking this process to others, including himself. They will take these sins with them into the next life, they do not have the potency to burn this off. ys pd


"in 1998, the GBC provisionally readmitted New Vrindaban as a member of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, subject to annual reviews for two years. In 2000, the community was welcomed back into ISKCON with open arms. Also in 2000, on September 10th, the ISKCON child protection office concluded a seventeen-month investigation and formally determined that "Kirtanananda dasa" had molested two boys."


Tears of Joy


— In her recent class in Mayapur, Rukmini devi dasi, if I remember properly, quoted this devotee, during Lord Caitanya's time, who wanted to take the whole universe of persons' sins for himself and to suffer eternally for their bad karma. And mataji, with sobs in her voice, encouraged the assembly of devotees to become like that... It was so beautiful! I was about to cry... My eyes were actually full of tears. Tears of happiness, of course... a real scarce true moving moment in my life, indeed.

However, we have to be ourselves intelligent and lucid. And to understand that Krsna Himself is very clever. And knows that all kinds of material conditionings exist in this world. Therefore, He also uses all kinds of pure devotees' behaviours and expressed feelings, and possibly very temporary ones, in order to be able to inspire all kinds of conditioned jivas. The full range! Every material conditioning requires its own kind of inspiration and divine medicine. Including real crazy masochistic auto-sacrificial conditionings like, apparently, the one of this mataji.

Consequently, examples of some pure devotees' behavior can inspire, temporarily or not, some types of persons. And not others. Krsna has to deal with what exists in this world in terms of conditioning. There is not really any other choice. And that is Krsna's compassion. Those devotees' behavior examples are not questionable by themselves. The only thing which is questionable is to, sometimes, take them on the very first degree. And moreover, to declare them as being normal behaviours which everyone should follow (and imitate). 

By doing that, in the case of this pure devotee's example, we immediately reach, in term of siddhanta, somehow, the crowd of many Christians who believe that whatever they do and will do, they and others will be saved anyway because Christ takes their sins. Quite comfortable! Why make any effort? Let's go on being sinners. One person does our job for us. Don't worry, be happy.

In fact, we can understand that even if we don't have any right nor reason to question or criticize this pure devotee's behaviour, if someone would really take for himself the sins of the whole universe of people and suffer their bad karma, it would be beneficial for absolutely no one. Everyone, in fact, has to do his own job. Of course, the acaryas, through diksha, take the past karma (or a very good part of it) of their disciples. It is right.


1) They are pure devotees. We are not.

2) They take the bad karma of their disciples, not the new karma which they may create by not following the acarya's instructions. Therefore, all that implies that those persons are or became sincere. I don't imagine that our whole universe is full of only sincere persons.

3) The acaryas are not supposed to suffer because of this karma. If they are real acaryas (or gurus), they are pure. Therefore, this karma is just in transit through them and goes directly to Krsna without disturbing either the guru or Krsna, who is able to burn it. And all that fortunately for the acaryas!!! The only thing which we can hope with suffering is that it stops as soon as possible! Rukmini devi dasi seems to be very generous and eager to suffer the martyr for others, but I would be very curious to check if she would really ask or beseech for more if I force her and put her hand in the fire ? Or make a sharp needle enter in her delicate body? Theory can always appear very nice and beautiful, but the reality is another thing.

But maybe, on this matter, Rukmini devi dasi was, in fact, much more enthusiastic for others to do that than for herself ? That is also a widespread endeavour.

4) The acaryas do their part. They give the seed, a very big impulse and their teaching. Nobody can go to Krsna without their mercy. Therefore, ONLY through their mercy can we reach Krsna. That does not mean, nevertheless, that they do the whole thing and that we don't have our part. I spoke about this in the article "Individual Effort". This part is ours and is both blissful and very very hard. So many efforts we can not escape. So many unavoidable austerities, patience, tolerance, determination… Those things we have to go through till their very end are our vaccination against our possible tendency to commit later the same mistake again. Unless we cross ourselves, and voluntarily, this whole thing which allows us to reach the uttama platform, we will not be fit for it. Not cured. Nobody has to suffer for us in our place. Only crazy people can believe that by injecting the vaccine into another person's body, he will be himself immunized!

One more reason why I left ISKCON was that I was completely fed up with hearing that kind of foolishness (and others). I could not stand that anymore.

[PADA: Right, people like Rukmini /GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia etc all think the neophytes can be the same as Jesus and absorb sins, all they are doing is killing others and taking them to hell along with all these accumulated sins. ys pd]

Thursday, February 15, 2018

Woman poses as man for dowry cheating

Hanuman (Croatia) complains about "supporting his program"

Public support and the future of my website

By Hanuman das

In the last two and half years, I’ve been fighting sannyasis with girlfriends without much public support. Many people like to visit my website, they shared many articles with their friends, but they did so in private messages. My website became very popular, with thousands of people visiting it every month. But, free ride is over. 
Lack of public support allowed sannyasis with female secretaries to portray me as “lonely offender” and ignore me.

[PADA: You are not getting support -- for starters -- because you have no functioning programs to support. We should support your program, but you never tell us what is your program? Meanwhile, our Prabhupadanuga folks are generating more and more people who are making new devotees, new temples ... and associated deity worship, lectures, programs and festivals etc. In sum, there has to be something concrete going on for us to "support" in the first place.  

We need to support your program.

Oooops! You never advertise ANY functioning program that people are supposed to support, because you have none. We are supposed to support a program, that never advertises even -- who is the guru of that program?: (A) Its not the GBC's who are the gurus, (B) its not Srila Prabhupada who is the guru of our program (the ritvik deviation), its -- (B) Srila nobody? OK so you worship no one and nothing, and call that "a program"?

Of course Rocana, Torben, Ajit Krishna, Kim Moller etc. also do the same thing, they say we cannot worship the GBC's gurus and AT THE SAME TIME we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada as the guru (the ritvik idea). So your program is to attack anyone who worships anyone, that is not a program? Again! Worship of nothing and no one is not a program? Worse, its mayavada to have no identified guru and no identified program how to worship that guru?

We already knew the GBC was deviating way back in 1978, that is not new. For you to make our "expose" process your main function is simply chewing the chewed. Its already been done by us since 1978. Rather, you'd have to show people what is your real process going forward, and you -- failed to do that. All you are saying is that every other party is deviating, but you have nothing to move forward on. Rocana does the same thing, which is why he has no programs to advertise either. Neti neti, its not this and not that, but what is it, we cannot say?] 

The time has some to move to phase 2 of the fight against sannyasis with girlfriends. Today in ISKCON, we have only a few sannyasis with female secretaries, but if this deviation is not squashed, it will spread. If you stay silent, your children will almost certainly live in a society where majority of gurus will be sannyasis with female secretaries.

[PADA: This is foolishness. They are not merely sannyasas with girlfriends, they are people posing as gurus, parampara members, messiahs, self-realized acharyas etc. - who are having girlfriends -- and so many other deviations. And dissenters to this program can be banned, beat, sued and even sometimes assassinated. You are making WW II into a girl scout's cookie sale sized issue. You are downplaying the criminality issue.

You folks are always minimizing the actual issue here, which is that they are posing as Krishna's guru successors, and promoting themselves and other various deviating fools as acharyas, and then viciously oppressing their opponents. And the rest of the GBC is complicit in creating, enabling, covering up and facilitating these deviations in the name of the guru parampara. They are not saying they are merely minor league sannyasas, they are saying they are diksha gurus and you are helping them by minimizing these deviations as minor league sannyasa rules and regulations problems.] 

So, there will be changes in how my website operates, effective immediately:
I will stop publishing my own articles and videos. When I get at least 30 public support actions, I will publish next post. I will only publish articles written by other people if I don’t get enough public support actions.

What is support action

Support action is where you publicly fight deviations in ISKCON, and support my work, here are some examples: You publicly share article from my website on facebook and you tag me in that facebook post. This includes only real profiles where real names are used.

You write an email to your guru / GBC representative, asking him to declare his stance on sannyasis with female secretaries, and you put my email to cc, my email is You write article for my website, it will be published under your real name.

You write public facebook posts about troubling issues in ISKCON, such as support for Ramesh baba sahajiya, etc, and you include link to some of my articles. You write public review about on my website under your real name, this review will be posted on my website. You agree that I put your name of my website, under the sympathizers list.

Now, you get idea what public support means.

But, but, what about me, I am …

OK, my website is visited not only by ISKCON devotees, but also by rtvik, gaudiya math people, and ex blooped devotees. Here are some advice for them:
Jesus Prabhupada followers: You can’t never fight deviations by imagining another deviations, so, for rtvik people who want to publicly support my website, please share this video on your facebook wall and tag me:

How the ritviks are killing Prabhupada.

You can also you can write email to Prabhupada or Jesus Christ, and put me in CC. If you don’t know what is Prabhupada’s email, I can’t help you.

Gaudiya Math followers

My website is not for you, but if you like to fight sannyasis with girlfriends, you can start by cleaning your own house. Here are some photos to get you started:

[PADA: OK so worship of Prabhupada is like worship of Jesus. We should not worship him anymore. We should worship you instead? Or who? Or what? So your program has failed because there is none. You cannot even tell us who to offer the bhogha to ... despite me asking you folks for over two years. Neither Rocana, Torben, Ajit and etc. can tell us who gets the bogha offerings despite our asking them over and over and over.

And! Followers of Gaurahari das (William Zodda) told me the same thing, we do not have to offer to guru, we can offer direct to Krishna. In other words, you folks are not even aware of the basics of the Krishna consciousness process, and your "program" is doing the same thing because you also cannot even explain the basics either. Sorry, unless you have a guru, and a program, and unless you can promote the basics of the religion -- i.e. who is the guru and who gets the offerings -- you cannot expect people to support your non-program. 

A program with no identified guru simply has no existence in Vedic process, and will not be accepted anywhere else either. Support my program, which advocates worship of no one and nothing. Great! Its like selling a paper bag full of empty hot air, not many customers will come forward. After trying to sell us your empty hot bag of air, at best recycling a few expose stories we were already posting way back in the 1980s, now you are crying that its not getting support? We cannot worship Srila Prabhupada or Jesus, we need to worship nothing. How can you expect support for a program that worships nothing-ness? 

Srila Prabhupada also says people who cannot name their guru are mayavadas, why should anyone support these mayavadas? Of course some folks have told us Hanuman's wife is a bogus GBC guru's cheer leader groupie, so he has to basically support them or sleep on the couch? Hee hee! (or what?). 

ys pd /]

Wednesday, February 14, 2018

Glories of Lord Shiva (Srila Prabhupada)

In what way do devotees of Lord Krsna offer respect to Lord Shiva?

It is said, vaishnavanam yatha sambhuh: Lord Shiva is the best of all devotees. Therefore all devotees of Lord Krsna are also devotees of Lord Shiva. In Vrindavana there is Lord Shiva’s temple called Gopishvara. The gopis used to worship not only Lord Shiva but Katyayani, or Durga, as well, but their aim was to attain the favor of Lord Krsna. A devotee of Lord Krsna does not disrespect Lord Shiva, but worships Lord Shiva as the most exalted devotee of Lord Krsna. Consequently whenever a devotee worships Lord Shiva, he prays to Lord Shiva to achieve the favor of Krsna, and he does not request material profit. In Bhagavad-gita (7.20) it is said that generally people worship demigods for some material profit. Kamais tais tair hrta jnanah. Driven by material lust, they worship demigods, but a devotee never does so, for he is never driven by material lust. That is the difference between a devotee’s respect for Lord Shiva and an asura’s respect for him. The asura worships Lord Shiva, takes some benediction from him, misuses the benediction and ultimately is killed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who awards him liberation. (Purport to Bhag. 4.24.30)

What is the relationship between Lord Shiva and the ghosts?

Lord Shiva, or Rudra, is the king of the ghosts. Ghostly characters worship Lord Shiva to be gradually guided toward a path of self-realization. Mayavadi philosophers are mostly worshipers of Lord Shiva, and Sripada Sankaracarya is considered to be the incarnation of Lord Shiva for preaching godlessness to the Mayavadi philosophers. Ghosts are bereft of a physical body because of their grievously sinful acts, such as suicide. The last resort of the ghostly characters in human society is to take shelter of suicide, either material or spiritual. Material suicide causes loss of the physical body, and spiritual suicide causes loss of the individual identity. Mayavadi philosophers desire to lose their individuality and merge into the impersonal spiritual brahmajyoti existence. Lord Shiva, being very kind to the ghosts, sees that although they are condemned, they get physical bodies. He places them into the wombs of women who indulge in sexual intercourse regardless of the restrictions on time and circumstance. (Purport to Bhag. 3.14.24)

Why does Lord Shiva have snakes all over his body?

In order to get release from the false ego, one has to worship Sankarsana. Sankarsana is also worshiped through Lord Shiva; the snakes which cover the body of Lord Shiva are representations of Sankarsana, and Lord Shiva is always absorbed in meditation upon Sankarsana. (Purport to Bhag. 3.26.21)
What is the position of Lord Shiva ?
In the Vamana Purana it is said that the same Vishnu expands Himself as Brahma and Shiva to direct the different qualities.
Mahesvara, or Lord Shiva, is not an ordinary living being, nor is he equal to Lord Vishnu. Effectively comparing Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva, the Brahma-samhita says that Vishnu is like milk, whereas Shiva is like yogurt. Yogurt is nothing like milk, but nevertheless it is milk also. (Purport to Cc. Adi 5.104)

It is said that Lord Shiva is non-different from Lord Krsna? What does it mean?

Srila Jiva Gosvami, in his Bhakti-sandarbha (213), has clearly defined that a pure devotee’s observation of the spiritual master and Lord Shiva as one with the Personality of Godhead exists in terms of their being very dear to the Lord, not identical with Him in all respects. (Purport to Cc. Adi 1.46)

Is Lord Shiva worshipped thought taking of intoxicants?

Lord Shiva drank poison to the extent of swallowing an ocean, but if any common man tries to drink even a fragment of such poison, he will be killed. There are many pseudo devotees of Lord Shiva who want to indulge in smoking ganja (marijuana) and similar intoxicating drugs, forgetting that by so imitating the acts of Lord Shiva they are calling death very near. Similarly, there are some pseudo devotees of Lord Krsna who prefer to imitate the Lord in His rasa-lila, or dance of love, forgetting their inability to lift Govardhana Hill. It is best, therefore, that one not try to imitate the powerful, but simply follow their instructions; nor should one try to occupy their posts without qualification. There are so many “incarnations” of God without the power of the Supreme Godhead. (Puport to Bg. 3.24)

Q. How is Lord Shiva auspicious?

A. Lord Shiva is always great and auspicious, but since he has accepted on his head the Ganges water, which emanated from the lotus feet of the Lord, he has become even more auspicious and important. (Purport to Bhag. 3.28.22)

Q. Is it acceptable to worship Shiva before Krsna?

A. There is no harm. But you should understand what is Shiva and what is Vishnu. If you offer first prayer to Lord Shiva, there is no harm. It is good. He is… vaishnavanam yatha sambhuh. He is our spiritual master. He is Vaishnava. Why not offer first respect to him? But if you take Lord Shiva as the Supreme, that is insult. You are giving me respect as spiritual master, but if you give me overestimation, that “You are the king of the whole world,” that is insult. That is not prayer. If you offer me prayer as I am befitting, then it is all right. But if you give me prayer for which I am not befitting, that is insult. So you must know what is the position of Lord Shiva. He is a Vaishnava. He is the greatest devotee. He is the number-one demigod, and everything is all right. But if you say that he is the Supreme, then he will feel insulted, that “What is this nonsense saying?” So don’t insult him in that way. That will go against your credit. He doesn’t like that. (Conversation, 5 Oct 1975, Mauritius)

Q. Who are the real followers of Lord Shiva?

A. It is especially significant that Lord Shiva is a pure devotee of Lord Vasudeva. Vaishnavanam yatha sambhuh: “Amongst all Vaishnavas, Lord Shiva is the topmost.” Consequently Lord Shiva has a sampradaya, a Vaishnava disciplic succession, called the Rudra-sampradaya. At the present moment those who belong to the Vishnusvami-sampradaya of Vaishnavas come from Rudra, Lord Shiva. (Purport to Bhag. 4.24.76)

Q. What is the relationship between Lord Shiva and devotees of Lord Krsna?

A. Because Lord Shiva is a great devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he loves all the devotees of the Supreme Lord. Lord Shiva told the Pracetas that because they were devotees of the Lord, he loved them very much. Lord Shiva was not kind and merciful only to the Pracetas; anyone who is a devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is very dear to Lord Shiva. Not only are the devotees dear to Lord Shiva, but he respects them as much as he respects the Supreme Personality of Godhead. (Purport to Bhag. 4.24.30)

Tuesday, February 13, 2018

A few words about Sri Isvara Puri

Srila Prabhupada describes the authorized Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya disciplic succession though Sri Isvara Puri

Letters : 1968 Correspondence : February : Letter to: Upendra -- Los Angeles 13 February, 1968 : 68-02-13 :There are four Sampradayas from the beginning of the creation. One is called Brahma Sampradaya, and is coming down by disciplic succession from Brahma; another Sampradaya is coming down from Laksmi, called Sri Sampradaya; another is coming down from the Kumaras, they are known as Nimbarka Sampradaya; another Sampradaya is coming from Lord Siva, Rudra Sampradaya or Visnu Svami. 

These are four bona fide Sampradayas that are accepted by the bona fide spiritualists. The Impersonalist Sampradaya is not original neither the Impersonalist Sampradaya or party can help us. At the present moment there are so many Sampradayas, but we have to test them about their method of disciplic understanding. Anyway, all the four Sampradayas above mentioned, they are after worshiping the Supreme Lord Visnu, in His different Expansions, and some of them are in favor of worshiping Radha Krishna. 

In the later age the Brahma Sampradaya was handed down though Madhva Acarya; in this Madhva Acarya disciplic succession came Isvara Puri. This Isvara Puri was accepted as Spiritual Master of Lord Caitanya. Therefore, we being in disciplic succession of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, we are known as the Madhva Sampradaya. And because Lord Caitanya appeared in Bengal, which country is called Gaudadesa, our Sampradaya party is known as Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya. But all these Sampradayas are non-different from one another because they believe and worship the Supreme Lord. Any other Sampradaya who are Impersonalist or voidist or nondevotee, they are rejected by us.

My Guru Maharaja was in the 10th generation from Lord Caitanya. We are 11th from Lord Caitanya. The disciplic succession is as follows: 1. Sri Krishna, 2. Brahma, 3. Narada, 4. Vyasa, 5. Madhva, 6. Padmanabha, 7. Nrihari, 8. Madhava, 9. Akshobhya, 10. Jayatirtha, 11. Jnanasindhu, 12. Purusottama, 13. Vidyanidhi, 14. Rajendra, 15. Jayadharma, 16. Purusottama, 17. Vyasatirtha, 18. Laksmipati, 19. Madhavendra Puri, 20. Isvara Puri (Advaita, Nityananda)21. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, 22. (Svarupa, Sanatana) Rupa, 23.(Jiva) Raghunath, 24. Krishna dasa, 25. Narottama, 26. Visvanatha, 27. (Baladeva.) Jagannatha, 28. (Bhaktivinode) Gaura-kisora, 29. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Sri Barshabhanavidayitadas, 30. Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta.

Srila Prabhupada describes the exalted position of Isvara Puri

tad vidhehi namas tubhyam
karmasv idyatma-saktisu
yat krtveha yaso visvag
amutra ca bhaved gatih


tat—that; vidhehi—give direction; namah—my obeisances; tubhyam—unto you; karmasu—in duties; īḍya—O worshipful one; ātma-śaktiṣu—within our working capacity; yat—which; kṛtvā—doing; iha—in this world; yaśaḥ—fame; viṣvak—everywhere; amutra—in the next world; ca—and; bhavet—it should be; gatiḥ—progress.

O worshipful one, please give us your direction for the execution of duty within our working capacity so that we can follow it for fame in this life and progress in the next.


Brahma is the direct recipient of Vedic knowledge from the Personality of Godhead, and anyone discharging his entrusted duties in disciplic succession from Brahma is sure to gain fame in this life and salvation in the next. The disciplic succession from Brahma is called the Brahma-sampradaya, and it descends as follows: Brahma, Narada, Vyasa, Madhva Muni (Purnaprajna), Padmanabha, Nrhari, Madhava, Aksobhya, Jayatirtha, Jnanasindhu, Dayanidhi, Vidyanidhi, Rajendra, Jayadharma, Purusottama, Brahmanyatirtha, Vyasatirtha, Laksmipati, Madhavendra Purī, Isvara Puri, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Svarupa Damodara and Sri Rūpa Gosvāmī and others, Sri Raghunatha dasa Gosvami, Krsnadasa Gosvami, Narottama dasa Ṭhakura, Visvanatha Cakravarti, Jagannatha dasa Babaji, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Gaurakisora dasa Babaji, Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami.

This line of disciplic succession from Brahma is spiritual, whereas the genealogical succession from Manu is material, but both are on the progressive march towards the same goal of Krsna consciousness.

Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3: "The Status Quo" : SB 3.13: The Appearance of Lord Varaha : SB 3.13.8 :

Srila Prabhupada describes the position of Isvara Puri in the Gaudiya Vaishnava parampara,

This is the method of paramparā, or disciplic succession. Similarly, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam explains that Kṛṣṇa imparted knowledge into the heart of Brahmā, the first created creature within the universe. Brahmā imparted those lessons to his disciple Nārada, and Nārada imparted that knowledge to his disciple Vyāsadeva. Vyāsadeva imparted it to Madhvācārya, and from Madhvācārya the knowledge has come down to Mādhavendra Purī, to Īśvara Purī, and from him to Caitanya Mahāprabhu

Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Introduction

Srila Prabhupada explains the appearance of Sri Isvara Puri.

mādhava-īśvara-purī, śacī, jagannātha
advaita ācārya prakaṭa hailā sei sātha


mādhava—Mādhavendra Purī; īśvara-purī—Īśvara Purī; śacī—Śacīmātā; jagannātha—Jagannātha Miśra; advaita ācārya—Advaita Ācārya; prakaṭa—manifested; hailā—were; sei—this; sātha—with.


Mādhavendra Purī, Īśvara Purī, Śrīmatī Śacīmātā and Śrīla Jagannātha Miśra all appeared with Śrī Advaita Ācārya.


Whenever the Supreme Personality of Godhead descends in His human form, He sends ahead all His devotees, who act as His father, teacher and associates in many roles. Such personalities appear before the descent of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Before the appearance of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu, there appeared His devotees like Śrī Mādhavendra Purī; His spiritual master, Śrī Īśvara Purī; His mother, Śrīmatī Śacīdevī; His father, Śrī Jagannātha Miśra; and Śrī Advaita Ācārya. Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 3: The External Reasons for Lord Caitanya's Appearance : Adi 3.95

Srila Prabhupada explains the connection between Madhavendra Puri and Isvara Puri

Śrī Mādhavendra Purī is one of the ācāryas in the disciplic succession from Madhvācārya. Mādhavendra Purī had two principal disciples, Īśvara Purī and Śrī Advaita Prabhu. Therefore the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava-sampradāya is a disciplic succession from Madhvācārya. This fact has been accepted in the authorized books known as Gaura-gaṇoddeśa-dīpikā and Prameya-ratnāvalī, as well as by Gopāla Guru Gosvāmī. The Gaura-gaṇoddeśa-dīpikā clearly states the disciplic succession of the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇavas as follows: "Lord Brahmā is the direct disciple of Viṣṇu, the Lord of the spiritual sky. His disciple is Nārada, Nārada's disciple is Vyāsa, and Vyāsa's disciples are Śukadeva Gosvāmī and Madhvācārya. 

Padmanābha Ācārya is the disciple of Madhvācārya, and Narahari is the disciple of Padmanābha Ācārya. Mādhava is the disciple of Narahari, Akṣobhya is the direct disciple of Mādhava, and Jayatīrtha is the disciple of Akṣobhya. Jayatīrtha's disciple is Jñānasindhu, and his disciple is Mahānidhi. Vidyānidhi is the disciple of Mahānidhi, and Rājendra is the disciple of Vidyānidhi. Jayadharma is the disciple of Rājendra. Puruṣottama is the disciple of Jayadharma. Śrīmān Lakṣmīpati is the disciple of Vyāsatīrtha, who is the disciple of Puruṣottama. And Mādhavendra Purī is the disciple of Lakṣmīpati.

Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 6: The Glories of Sri Advaita Acarya : Adi 6.40 : PURPORT

Srila Prabhupapa presents Sri Bhaktivinoda Thakura's explanation of the flow of the plant of bhakti with Madhavendra Puri and Isvara Puri as the second fructification of the seed of bhakti plant.

A summary of Chapter Nine has been given as follows by Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura in his Amṛta-pravāha-bhāṣya. In the Ninth Chapter the author of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta has devised a figurative example by describing the "plant of bhakti." He considers Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who is known as Viśvambhara, to be the gardener of this plant because He is the main personality who has taken charge of it. As the supreme enjoyer, He enjoyed the flowers Himself and distributed them as well. The seed of the plant was first sown in Navadvīpa, the birthsite of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and then the plant was brought to Puruṣottama-kṣetra (Jagannātha Purī) and then to Vṛndāvana. 

The seed fructified first in Śrīla Mādhavendra Purī and then his disciple Śrī Īśvara Purī. It is figuratively described that both the tree itself and the trunk of the tree are Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. The devotees, headed by Paramānanda Purī and eight other great sannyāsīs, are like the spreading roots of the tree. From the main trunk there extend two special branches, Advaita Prabhu and Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, and from those branches grow other branches and twigs. The tree surrounds the entire world, and the flowers of the tree are to be distributed to everyone. In this way the tree of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu intoxicates the entire world. It should be noted that this is a figurative example meant to explain the mission of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu

Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 9: The Tree of Devotional Service

śrī-iśvarapurī-rūpe aṅkura puṣṭa haila
āpane caitanya-mālī skandha upajila


śrī-īśvara-purī—by the name Śrī Īśvara Purī; rūpe—in the form of; aṅkura—the seed; puṣṭa—cultivated; haila—became; āpane—Himself; caitanya-mālī—the gardener of the name Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; skandha—trunk; upajila—expanded.


The seed of devotional service next fructified in the form of Śrī Īśvara Purī, and then the gardener Himself, Caitanya Mahāprabhu, became the main trunk of the tree of devotional service.

Śrī Īśvara Purī was a resident of Kumāra-haṭṭa, where there is now a railroad station known as Kāmarhaṭṭa. Nearby there is also another station named Hālisahara, which belongs to the Eastern Railway that runs from the eastern section of Calcutta.

Īśvara Purī appeared in a brāhmaṇa family and was the most beloved disciple of Śrīla Mādhavendra Purī. In the last portion of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta (Antya8.28-31), it is stated:

īśvara-purī gosāñi kare śrī-pada sevana
sva-haste karena mala-mūtrādi mārjana
nirantara kṛṣṇa-nāma karāya smaraṇa
kṛṣṇa-nāma kṛṣṇa-līlā śunāya anukṣaṇa
tuṣṭa hañā purī tāṅre kaila āliṅgana
vara dilā kṛṣṇe tomāra ha-uka prema-dhana
sei haite īśvara-purī premera sāgara

"At the last stage of his life Śrī Mādhavendra Purī became an invalid and was completely unable to move, and Īśvara Purī so completely engaged himself in his service that he personally cleaned up his stool and urine. Always chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and reminding Śrī Mādhavendra Purī about the pastimes of Lord Kṛṣṇa in the last stage of his life, Īśvara Purī gave the best service among his disciples. Thus Mādhavendra Purī, being very pleased with him, blessed him, saying, 'My dear boy, I can only pray to Kṛṣṇa that He will be pleased with you.' 

Thus Īśvara Purī, by the grace of his spiritual master, Śrī Mādhavendra Purī, became a great devotee in the ocean of love of Godhead." Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī states in his Gurv-aṣṭakaprayer, yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto 'pi: "By the mercy of the spiritual master one is blessed by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa. Without the grace of the spiritual master one cannot make any advancement." It is by the mercy of the spiritual master that one becomes perfect, as vividly exemplified here. 

A Vaiṣṇava is always protected by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but if he appears to be an invalid, this gives a chance to his disciples to serve him. Īśvara Purī pleased his spiritual master by service, and by the blessings of his spiritual master he became such a great personality that Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu accepted him as His spiritual master.

Śrīla Īśvara Purī was the spiritual master of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, but before initiating Lord Caitanya he went to Navadvīpa and lived for a few months in the house of Gopīnātha Ācārya. At that time Lord Caitanya became acquainted with him, and it is understood that he served Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu by reciting his book, Kṛṣṇa-līlāmṛta. This is explained in Śrī Caitanya-bhāgavata, Ādi-līlā, Chapter Eleven.To teach others by example how to be a faithful disciple of one's spiritual master, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, visited the birthplace of Īśvara Purī at Kāmarhaṭṭa and collected some earth from his birthsite. 

This He kept very carefully, and He used to eat a small portion of it daily. This is stated in the Caitanya-bhāgavata, Ādi-līlā, Chapter Seventeen. It has now become customary for devotees, following the example of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, to go there and collect some earth from that place.

Monday, February 12, 2018

Vrndavana Festival Dates (Bhaktidhama)

[PADA: A Lady friend of PADA from India says there are sometimes trouble makers attending these festivals. She advises a woman to be travelling with at least another person, preferably a man, and / or a group. Its sad that we have to even mention these things nowadays. 

Anyone who has reports / photos of these festivals they would like to have published, send to: ys pd

Sunday, February 11, 2018

Discriminating friends and enemies? (Rukmini dd)

[PADA: We should not discriminate friends and enemies? OK. This is a big problem. How can we eliminate false gurus and their false pooja and so forth, if we can not discriminate that it's wrong, or not wrong? If our house is attacked by burglars, we should not call the police? We should consider the crooks as our friends?

Notice behind her is the "GBC Strategic Planning Network" logo. The GBC is self-evidently "planning" on making more and more non-realized people into their gurus, and they themselves admit that their gurus may have no verified "degree of God consciousness." We are going to make more and more "gurus" with no verified levels of God consciousness, and that is "the plan"? And we are not allowed to say this is a good plan, or not?

Srila Prabhupada identified false gurus as Krishna's enemies, but we are not allowed to do the same? How will that work practically?  

And what if we say a person who has no verified "degree of God consciousness" should not be made -- the guru? Oooops, but Rukmini does not want us to point that out? That enables these non-realized messiah wanna-be folks to take the post of acharya then? Apparently, the "plan" is to make more and more and more hokey gurus. And then they end up burying a known sexual predator in the holy dham, because no one should discriminate that this is either good or bad? "Don't criticize prabhu"!

So Rukmini advises us, we should not discriminate that these gurus are bogus -- or not? Now we know why so many false gurus have reigned over ISKCON, people were told not to discriminate, not to criticize and so on, and the evil doers captured the whole institution with this "let it all hang out" "go with the flow" hippie-di-do-dah mentality. And now we know how sexual predators became buried in samadhis in the holy dham, no one was allowed to discriminate that this was right ... or wrong, or what? 

OK that is the main issue, we are being advised to limp along with the GBC's illicit sex guru program, acquiesce, not discriminate that it is bad. And then the result is, banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits, and assassinations. And we cannot even say if this result is good or bad either? We just need to roll along with "the Strategic Plan" to make fallen people into acharyas?

Well sorry, it is bad, their process needs to be judged by the results, and the results are that their program has become a laughing stock, and a bankrupted institution. Where does Srila Prabhupada say we should not judge against an illicit sex acharya's program? Or does he not say we need to keep this bogus acharya element out, or it will burn the entire house down and everyone in it? ys pd]   

Saturday, February 10, 2018

RE: The soul's independent nature

KD: Now we need to force Krishna to allow us back by persisting on it. Then of course, devotees naturally ask what desire was not being fulfilled with Krishna that would inspire such insistence? Our relationship with Krishna being factually all satisfying of course. That is where discussions get really deep. And then devotees naturally then ask, if some desire was not being fully fulfilled with Krishna in Goloka, then how can our relationship with Krishna in Goloka be said to be literally and factually all-satisfying instead of only figuratively so? A very good question. That is where discussions get really, really deep and where most do not understand the answers even when given.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada also says that one of the definitions of a materialistic person is, one is never satisfied. In sum, without Krishna, one's ability to be fully satisfied is always incomplete, if not blocked etc.

KD: Then of course the next natural question is how is it possible to be unsatisfied in Krishna's transcendental association (pre-fall to material existence) if in that association everything is factually all-satisfying and if that statement is not simply a figurative exaggeration. The statement I am referring to "Krishna's association is all-blissful and all-satisfying." If there is not a solid, clear answer to that question given then it will simply leave people who are coming in to KC with the wrong idea that no matter what there will always be in the depths of the consciousness the desire to do something other than serve Krishna, even once we return to Goloka. It will leave people mistaking the inherent potential to fall into illusion with the living being never being satisfied; but rather with the idea that we are eternally compromising in our relationship with Krishna even in the state of total perfection. It will also lead to people mistaking surrender for compromise regarding what we actually desire. If not answered in full detail that is.

PADA: There are no other known explanations, we desire to serve Krishna and we are in His association, we desire not to serve, we are removed. Srila Prabhupada says when we return we will not remember being here directly, but we will have some idea that we were once burned by the stove (coming to the material world) and we will want to avoid stoves ... ys pd

KD: There are definitely deeper answers, which I always preach and relay, but I am certain Prabhupada chose not to discuss them openly because he knew practically everyone would misunderstand said answers and / or abuse said partial realizations. Which has proven to be true.

MB: No no... UNLESS ONE IS IN Kriahna Conciseness, even Krishna's Company isnt pleasing. Just as with Duryodhana ... he never liked Krishna ... So Krishna's association isn't the main important ... service attitude is the main important...

PADA: Familiarity breeds contempt, not always, but its possible. Same thing happened in ISKCON, some people around Prabhupada decided, they wanted to be Prabhupada ...

MB: Prabhupada says We all insisted Krishna To come here and even though Krishna didnt wish us to ... but since we are partially independent he did allow us... Just like a child insists his father that he wants to go somewhere ... the father knows that it will hurt him but after repeteated crying and pleading ... the father lets go.."Go go see what happens.." Same with us .. we insisted and insisted, and then Krishna Allowed... but is always waiting for us to realise our wrong path ... and go back to him. Just like the father says after he lets his child go and the child falls down..."SEE I TOLD U...NOW COME BACK...COME TO ME.."

PADA: Even the Berkeley police told me, there was Prabhupada, and then there were people who wanted to become Prabhupada. Same thing: there is Krishna, and there are those who wanted to become Krishna, same disease ... enviousness. Envy is possible as an alternate to loving Krishna, and then envy leads us to conditioned life where we have to fight for existence among all the other envious souls ...

MB: Exactly...i am to Blame for all my problems...ONLY myself.

KD: But in that case Duryodhana was already conditioned prior to said interactions. I'm talking there are deeper answers for how such illusion occurs "originally". I understand why Prabhupada usually chose no to go so deep into the topic because the fuller answers tend to confuse most devotees more, that is why, even though those fuller answers do exist he chose not to relay them more in depth and instead allowed each devotee to realize said topic individually for their particular cases via the devotional process. 

So then the next question I hope devotees asked Prabhupada is why would we insist? What would be the driving force of such ignorant insistence? How would such insistence be possible in a being who already is happy with Krishna in knowledge and in truth and who already knows about material illusions distinguished from transcendental joy? Unless Krishna originally kept us ignorance of material existence altogether, then in that case the issue would rest on Krishna and not on us.

MB: Krishna is LUST ONLY o Arjuna that compells one to do so. Actually even as soul we are not fully Sad Chid Ananda like Krishna.. We are not as complete ... and hence we always have a tendency to fall down. Prabhupada says even from Vaikuntha can one fall down when he starts to envy Krishna. So Vaikuntha doesnt save one, the service attitude does. If we ever fall in a drain.. we will always be curious never to fall again...similarly when one falls to this material world and goes to Vaikuntha... he finally knows that there isnt any happiness outside. And one realises that Serving KRISHNA is the only source of Happiness.... Since we are independent... we have the option...

PADA: It seems to all boil down to, we became envious of Krishna. Even if we knew that material life is suffering, that would not have convinced us to drop our envious? An envious person is sometimes severely punished for that consciousness, but that does not guarantee he will give it up? It might make him more envious ... 

Yes, Krishna is the cause of our having independence, but then we take charge of our minute independence, He gives us that ability. That is why Srila Prabhupada said, you are flying your own airplane, some of you will fly back to Krishna, some of you will crash and stay here ... Krishna is not flying your airplane, you are, and you can fly back to him or crash and burn here. And we see this all the time, some devotees are sincere, many have started to go back to their old ways ... Krishna did not order the sincere to remain sincere and the crash and burn people to crash and burn, they made these choices ... and they are making these choices every day, they have independence.
No one can refuse Krishna's policy. Anyway! If Krishna causes us to fail, and say for example rob banks, why do we have police then? The robber could argue that Krishna caused him to rob the bank (and some robbers do say Jesus makes me rob banks) hee hee hee! If Krishna is making everyone fail, then why would anyone try to become pure? If God is making us either love Him or not, then we are robots.

KD: Precisely, that is why Krishna does not admit such things openly. To leave us thinking that we have minute independence eternally.

PADA: There was a comedian once named Flip Wilson, and that was his punch line "the Devil made me do it." Unfortunately, it looks like KD thinks Krishna is making people rob banks, because He causes them to be crooks. There is no free will, they are operating badly under the direction of God, in this case, God is Satan, He makes people rob banks.

MB: ONLY DEVOTEES STAY WITH HIM ... so if u decide not to do as he says? Maybe u are day dreaming... cause u cant be there. KRISHNA also does not exactly give us independence. WE, being His PARTS and parcels... already have that quality. So Krishna didnt give it to us....we alredy have we are His parts... just like a drop of sea water is also salty... u dont have to mix salt with the drop... its already salty... So its up to us to stay or not..

PADA: Right. There is only partial independence, we cannot separate ourselves from the whole, we are infinitesimal parts of the whole. The part cannot ever be independent from the whole, its always at least partly dependent, therefore not fully independent. In any case, it does not matter what we think Krishna should or should not do, He created the existing system and we either surrender ... or suffer, i.e. we are dependent, our independence only allows us to function either here or in Vaikuntha, that is our classification, marginal, we can operate here or operate there, no other options exist, except we can stay for a time in Brahmana, our posiiton is minute independence, either we serve here or serve there -- this never changes, we are dependent on being placed in either field by the superior autho

That is also why we came here, we wanted to challenge His authority. As long as we want to do that, we have to stay here ... and that can go on for trillions of kalpas if we chose to have it that way ...


Friday, February 9, 2018

Killing For Krishna's "new warriors"

Respected pranams, from ex-ISKCON member,

Sir (Henry Doktorski),

I received diksa from Bhagavan’s “Prince,” Brian Tibbits (Indradyumna Swami). Was very involved with the Indradyumna Swami's "program" but left some time ago seeing even then the major problems with these "gurus."

I'm half-way through your amazing book "Killing for Krishna." I have to honestly tell you that I'm on page 242; in 10 hours almost straight reading. You sir, do certainly have cojones. I really appreciate your work and its already feeling like a healing; not only my wounds but many, many more souls across our planet.

Perhaps I could assist with your upcoming work in any way. I can help your mission by distributing your book in Europe. I was very good sankirtan devotee. We need to cover Poland first, Germany and then Russia. I speak fluent Russian.

It's my great honour to be at your side on this quest. I have no encumbrances, and will be a warrior on your side. You have awoken your sleeping soldiers, prabhu. Again, I'm by your side. Will recruit more sincere soldiers soon. Already spreading your message to ex-ISKCON members in Poland.

Deep regards and please kindly keep in touch. Om shanti.

Former disciple of Indradyumna Swami

[PADA: Yep, we keep getting new recruits in the army to expose these false ISKCON GBC gurus. Recently we even got a bunch of ladies in various places in India to tell us they want to take down the "Goonda Bully Committee" (GBC). Hee hee, these women make better warriors than 95% of Srila Prabhupada's original disciple "men"? These women tell us how they are appalled that the GBC would want their children to worship known sexual predators in a samadhi, its just too disgusting for words. And as such, some of these women are now asking us about some of the details of this book, so its a question of educating people gradually.

Anyway! All of these GBC jokers are in the same bogus messiah's club. Indradyumna swami was a huge promoter of the Bhagavan empire, and we all know how that ended. Now they have buried Kirtanananda in a samadhi, a sort of poking a stick into the eye of all the victims of their program. There really seems to be no real remorse or rectification going on in the GBC inner circle. 

In fact, now the GBC are openly saying their gurus may have a small degree, or maybe even no degree of God realization. OK they are gurus, but they have no verified God realization? This is our payment check to you for a million dollars, but we might only have 50 cents in the bank to cover it. What kind of cheating is this? We are going to give you money, but it may have no verified value? 

Who would accept this idea? 

Only the fools on the GBC. Of course people like Sura Dasa (Los Angeles) told me he personally would never surrender to any of these GBC's gurus, so his program just recruits poor ignorant suckers so they can cheat the ignorant to worship their false acharyas. They ALREADY know their product is bogus, but sell it anyway, ok this is knowingly cheating others. If there is one thing Krishna really and truly hates, its hocus pocus fools sitting in Srila Prabhupada's seat. And they will ALL have have to go to the lowest regions for doing that, and so will their enablers and supporters of that process. 

Yep, they are just rubber stamping gurus out like sacks of potatoes, not checking to see if their potatoes product inside the sacks are rotten or not. Its up to your to see if your sack of potatoes is rotten, ooops, except if you are in for example Jayapataka's zone, you'd better help promote him or expect to get whacked with shoes by his fanatical people. OK you are not really allowed to chose any GBC guru you want, or reject any guru you want. If the Jayapataka followers are running a center, you'd need to accept that he is the local guru and that he is bona fide, or face severe repercussions, or get booted out the door. And maybe get beat up on the way out the door.

In Los Angeles Watseka for example, they have a number of big goondas defending Jayapataka's worship as an acharya. And as soon as they find that a person does not worship their illicit sex "messiahs from heaven" program, and bow down and worship their sexual predators of minors "acharya's" process, they are immediately angry and making sub-violent threatening moves on their victims. In sum, they have a bunch of goonda enforcers who make sure that the worship of their illicit sex with men, women and children guru program continues, and Sulochana was simply one of many victims of this program, and it continues onward. They still vociferously enforce their illicit sex "God's successor's" so-called guru chain. 

In sum! If you chose to reject the worship of a founder father of the molester messiah's program -- ok like Jayapataka -- and point out his fraudulent program, you won't be allowed to do that. You'd have to accept that he is bona fide, and no one is allowed to say differently. And in Romapada's zone, you'd better say he is bona fide or face getting booted off the property and so forth. Not only you'll be booted out -- but even the GBC is booted off the Brooklyn property for not going along with the Romapada program. Its all about goonda level enforced "keeping various people in seats of power -- and control of property and money." 

Meanwhile NYC devotees tell us the Radhanath building does not even have Srila Prabhupada's books on their book table. Yet he is a big guru in their program, and same thing, we cannot criticize him and stay in ISKCON. Looking at the whole situation, easily they have removed thousands, probably 10,000 maybe more. Yet that is not the real issue, they have burned the mission to toast with their bad publicity project which has caused BILLIONS of people to reject the religion. 

And because of that, the mission also lost $$$ BILLIONS of dollars in revenue, and so on. And because they orchestrated the children being molested they burnt the next wave of devotees to ashes, it was a total scorched earth process. That is why Sri Isopanisad says these false gurus go to the lowest regions, they not only go to hell, they want to drag the whole world to hell with them, so they have to be put into a place where they will do not more damage. Someone asked me how could they do all this if they believed in God, and my answer was, they do not believe there is a God, plain and simple. So they have to go to the planets where such cretins will be punished. ys pd  

Apparently they know where they are going:

Yep, more ex-Indradyumna etc. folks are getting on board: