Sunday, August 18, 2013

Comments and responses / New Gitas / Tamal / Sadhana v Raganuga / Retired acharyas / etc.

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Why Some Say PADA Caused Tamal's Untimely Departure?

Anonymous
at 11:32 AM

[PADA: Thanks prabhu. That is what almost all the people have said, Tamal's presence will not be missed that much. A number of people have confirmed that he was only going to India because of the lawsuit, and that means, the lawsuit is really what killed the leader of "the sinister movement." So Krishna arranged all this, Krishna agreed with the mass of devotees, we need to take this person away because he is simply causing grief to others every day. I am glad to have helped this process along, and its good to know you are also doing the "happy dance" to see this trouble maker gone. Actually, only the Prahlad team reports to us on a regular basis their being upset with Krishna for being such a violent person who killed their lord and master Tamal, because they miss licking the bottom of Tamal's shoes.]

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Heil LUCIFER, the glorious Light Bringer!

RE: Advice for Mahanidhi / ISKCON is like Syria / Beef eating gurus?

Anonymous
at 11:26 AM

[PADA: The way to fix ISKCON is to say -- it belongs to Satan? Who knew!]

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Hare Rama, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Comments to your article: ISKCON is like Syria? That is exactly what I realized after I accepted Srila Prabhupada as my Guru and his Ritvik Order. There is only Shunjavadi left. Only 1 out of hunderts so called "Vaishnavas" accepted the July 9th 1977 letter after I talked to them via email/facebook/chat. So basically I am left all alone, without even money to buy food, without a job education... NOTHINGNESS So I personally understand why many senior devotees seem to be in severe depression doing drugs etc. So basically Srila Prabhupada did his job and proclaimed that only a pure devotee can be Diksha Guru/Acharya. People could either follow or they can make a big scam and suffer the reaction for their severe offense. Following a bogus Guru was hell(I started dreaming of hell and I had no idea why at that time) So I am convinced, out of direct experience, these people are heading to hell.

RE: Advice for Mahanidhi / ISKCON is like Syria / Beef eating gurus?

Bhakta Robin
at 3:13 AM

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I beg you to refer Srila Prabhupada's letter, Los Angeles, June 21, 1970 to Tamal Krishna Goswami. In Nectar of Devotion, Part One, 2: The First Stages of Devotion, I have read as follows so if you may consider referring them as well: "Now this sadhana-bhakti, or practice of devotional service, may also be divided into two parts. The first part is called service according to regulative principles...That is called vaidhi, or regulated. One has to do it without argument. Another part of sadhana-bhakti is called raganuga."

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

Rajj

[PADA: We never disagreed with the above statement. This statement is very clear: First we need to practice sadhana bhakti. And what is also very clear, especially at this point, after seeing so many "raganuga bhakti" bogus gurus going down the tubes, it ALSO means we sadhana bhaktas cannot pose artificially as raganuga gurus. ys pd]

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Oh to be a retired guru living it up at the disciples expense. First Satsvarupa, now Mahaneedy. Just wait until you get caught then plan a good excuse and fool enough disciples and you can live the good life. Only one problem, this is not what Srila Prabhupada meant by retire. When Bhaktivinode Thakura retired he entered into samadhi. He did not give up being a magistrate to watch TV and have his disciples pay for him to eat and sleep, and have sex, which I shouldn't even say in the same sentence, but that is what many of the ISKCON men claiming to be gurus do.

The like to use the term "Prabhupada men", they claim to be "Staunch Stalwart Prabhupada disciples", when there have been documented cases of these same men having sex with their own disciples and God sisters. In fact, show me a guru who has left ISKCON who hasn't had illicit sex before falling down. IS THERE EVEN ONE? Retiring? First they have to do some service, then they can retire. The only service they have ever done is

RE: Advice for Mahanidhi / ISKCON is like Syria / Beef eating gurus?

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

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To knowingly and falsely present the gurus words out of context and in abbreviated form thereby changing the meaning is as sinful as the bogus gurus who do the same thing to "prove" they are bona-fide by misquoting Prabhupada themselves. You know Prabhupada did not say to become like the Christians. You are as much a hypocrite and a liar as the gurus you oppose, and will take just as much karma for misleading the new innocents who take shelter of Prabhupada's movement, but wind up joining you instead. How far can you lead them back to Godhead? Don't say you are leading them to Prabhupada because you are not. Prabhupada did not start this bogus back to Prabhupada philosophy, ritviks did.

We Must Follow One Acharya -- Like the Christians

Anonymous
at 10:08 AM

When Prabhupada said, "You follow one acharya, like Christians, they follow one acharya" he was NOT saying that ISKCON should follow one acharya, himself! Print the whole paragraph or two above and below it and you will see what he was really saying, that the Christians follow Christ, they have their bible, they have their priests. So guru, sadhu and sastra must be there.

We Must Follow One Acharya -- Like the Christians

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

[PADA: Fine. How come you folks never answer the first question we always ask, i.e.: which acharya should we follow then, you? Just tell us which acharya we are supposed to worship right now, and just get it over with. You keep saying "its not this acharya, its not that acharya," while never saying which acharya you promote? 

And in the Vedas that is called "negating" or "neti neti." So far, your idea only cancels out every other idea. Great job, except -- we also need to know what idea you are actually promoting? Rocana dasa does the same thing, "The ritvik's idea is bogus, we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada, thats not in the tradition," blah blah blah, so we should worship no one, or what?

We cannot simply negate away all other ideas and have no idea of our own, that is called sunnya-vada, or nothingness. Just tell us who is the current acharya in your opinion, otherwise, if you have no idea who your acharya is, then our idea makes more sense because at least we have an acharya to point people to. You say there is guru, sadhu and shatra, but you cannot even tell us who is the guru in your scheme of things? All you have established so far is that, you have no guru at all? Just tell us once and for all, who is the person who is leading us back to Godhead? ys pd]

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Dear Sir! Please update this list of fallen ISKCON gurus! http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-09/editorials5364.htm We several times tried to contact Sampradaya Sun chief editor but he refuses to talk to us. Meanwhile there were more fall-downs starting with Umapati, Prabhavishnu. In any case THE SUN seems to put a smokescreen on this issue of more falldowns? Is there any explanation?

Protection -- From Rocana's Bogus Gurus?

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

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Recently a devotee was pleading for a source to buy Srila Prabhupada's books in Russian language. They are getting very hard to find. "Perhaps Jayadvaita will explain to us the story of how literally millions of Russian translations of Srila Prabhupada's books stored in a giant warehouse were shredded. Yes, destroyed, because the storage cost was too high and it was considered that to give them out free or free to Russian devotees to distribute would not profit the BBTI, and would destroy the market for new printings of the books in the future. Yes, try to figure out the logic in that one."

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-09/editorials5496.htm on

Protection -- From Rocana's Bogus Gurus?

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

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Dear Mahanidhi Swami. Please accept my humble obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada. I enjoyed your letter and the denial of any wrong doing. I must accept that of course as I do not know otherwise. How nice that you can take this quote from Srila Prabhupada as your personal instruction from him."In that year, my Gurudeva Srila Prabhupada said, “Preach while you are young. When you are old, retire to Vrndavana and chant Hare Krishna. If you have preached sufficiently, you can retire to chant Hare Krishna.” (Prabhupada Lilamrta Vol 5 pg. 94: 1983 ed.)" There are so many of us aged devotees who would love to do the same but we find it necessary to keep up with our current devotional responsibilities based on Srila Prabhupadas instructions. I am also 63 years old and suffer not unlike the rest of Srila Prabhupadas disciples with financial problems,very long work hours, ailing health, defamation from ISKCON Toronto, banned from their temple for speaking the truth, you know the on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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Mahanidhi may have or may not have had sexual relationships with a woman but celibacy is not a real indicator of spiritual advancement. Preaching is necessary but it is also fine if someone wants to become more immersed in personal bhajan. My best wishes to Mahanidhi in his new pursuits. I wish that his followers would be less rejecting and would see broader perspective, past institutional framework. on

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

KasparsM
on 8/15/13

[PADA: We also wish Mahanidhi well, but his idea of "retiring" sounds like an avoidance process, an effort to avoid taking responsibility for causing so much havoc. ys pd]

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This is exactly as I had suspected. Mahanidhi Swami came out and corroborated that this is a conspiracy. The GBC are complicit in the conspiracy as they were the executors of the public condemnation and practically the excommunication of a saintly devotee. I hope Tamahora Prabhu stays awake at night drafting a public letter of apology. on Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Alexander
on 8/15/13

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Having seen "gurus" fall before, it seems to be pretty obvious these excuses were fashioned beforehand along the way by this one. First he gets caught falling down with a woman, and it is revealed he took sanga from some other guru. So what to do? In order to get out of the immediate heat of the situation he, in his own words, resigned from ISKCON. That was stage one. Tyaga, renunciation. But that won't last long when the name and fame runs out and the guru wants more. So now, stage two. Stage two was planned in the back of his mind all along, as with other gurus who come and go, they all come up with their own plans. Stage two is damage control. He admits he resigned from ISKCON but fortunately he was intelligent enough to have the foresight to say he was resigning from the "preaching mission" of Srila Prabhupada. That trickily appeased those who wanted him to admit he was fallen at the time, while simultaneously left him a way back in, now he can say he is only retiring from the on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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Pada, I do not know who wrote the comment you failed to post but obviously it hit a raw nerve based on your response. So all the devotees can see you deleted the comment you did not like and are ranting and raving like a lunatic to yourself about it. Great job of showing your true nature. Keep up the good work prabhuji haribol. on

More comments and responses (Aindra / Radhanath / GBC EC / Carribean Voodoo / etc.)

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

[PADA: Right, when we said there is a molesting program going on, then folks like you said this is "made up lies," "raving like a lunatic" and so on, and that is how people like you discredited our complaints, and that means, you folks caused all the molesting. You folks did that by discrediting us, and you are still at it. Don't you have a new mantra yet, after your current mantra got thousands of children victimized? ys pd]

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Prabhupada said the GBC members should meet at Mayapur every year. I guess Tamal felt Prabhupada was wrong in his case. Let us not forget the famous last words of the great STALWART devotee Tamal when he crashed. According to witnesses, his last words weren't Hare Krishna, but two other words that sound like OH CIT! As in sac cit ananda. Only it wasn't cit that he recited, but SH*T!

Yes, his last words recited at the time of death were completely material. He left a meeting where ISKCON lost ten years worth of laxmi to pay up for the gurukulis being knowingly abused and having the offenses covered over, and then he wanted to be late for his trip to the airport, showing up like he was special like he always did, instead of showing up on time like everybody else. That is why the taxi was speeding that day. Tamal didn't give a crap about anyone else but himself. on

Why Some Say PADA Caused Tamal's Untimely Departure?

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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First time I ever heard of a guru "retiring" from being a guru because his own disciples were envious? What will they think of next? His name and fame were ruined, and that was Krishna's arrangement for him to stop being a guru as well? Never heard of that one either. He mentions Srila Prabhupada's "siksha". What kind of siksha is there stating a guru has to worry about his own name and fame? on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

[PADA: Mahanidhi's favorite person is Satsvarupa, who is also retired. Good question, which previous acharyas retired after their "envious disciples" complained about their bad behavior? ys pd]

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Thats why they call off Mahanidhi - because if he joins the fallen guru list the GBC is in really bad shape....if you know what I mean..... on

Additional Eye-Witness Testimony on Srila Prabhupada's Poison Complaint

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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Hare krishna My name is Sukadeva das and am from Sridham Radhakund, Sri Gopalji mandir. I am the one who has posted this letter on behalf of maharji. You can contact me on my suka108@gmail. com
or +91 9897430910. Haribol!!! on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Sukadeva Das
on 8/15/13

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Sounds pretty much like rascaldom. Nobody spread rumors. It is the GBC statement everybody is refering to. If Mahaniddhi figures he is a guru in good standing why he is unable to inform GBC about their false broadcast? Why he did not immediately write letter above? Why this stonewalling tactics? If he writes on facebook, listen folks, this is all made up lie then this would have never gotten out of hand like it is now. on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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MAHANIDHI SWAMI’S LETTER AUGUST 13, 2013 Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayate! Dear devotees and friends, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. For your consideration I offer the following explanation of the recent events of my life. The Veda Purana says in Kali-yuga, disciples will become so antagonistic, envious and ungrateful that they will even kill their own Guru. Recently, a few disciples have accused me of improper behavior with a female devotee, and that was publicized worldwide. Contrary to the thousands of false statements, distorted facts, wild exaggerated stories and complete lies, I have never had any illicit relations with a woman or man during my entire devotional life. Of course, this is only possible by the mercy of my Gurudeva Srila Prabhupada, Lord Gauranga and Sri Krishna’s Holy Names. And in no way have I left my eternal divine holy master Srila Prabhupada, and ran away with a woman or some other Guru. Why did I resign from ISKCON, the on

Mahanidhi scandal expands (other ISKCON GBC gurus implicated)

Sukadeva Das
on 8/14/13

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maybe instead of looking for faults in others, it is better to do a spiritual self-awareness and to find a taste of the soul rather than criticizing others.

Anonymous
on 8/12/13

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This is fact, Prabhupada accepted disciples and he rejected some of them too. I don't come here often, but when I do, I know I will get the latest prajalpa there is against the GBC, ISKCON, and those who are following Srila Prabhupada the way HE wanted to be followed. He wanted us to cooperate with each other, with the GBC, and with ISKCON, not to fight with them like the Gaudiya Math fought with each other and sold the printing press to see who would get the rights over the temples. Ritviks sound just like the Gaudiya Math to me. They are too much into temples and not at all into following the ORDER of the spiritual master to cooperate, follow the GBC, and serve Srila Prabhupada in the institution he founded, ISKCON. on

History of Sahajiyas / Gaudiya Matha / Mahanidhi connection / etc. (RE: Rocana das article)

Anonymous
on 8/12/13

[PADA: So the GBC kicked us out because we did not want to worship illicit sex and drugs, where does the Vedas says we are supposed to cooperate with the worship of illicit sex and drugs? ys pd]

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Thank you for your hope that he is innocent but GBC has based their statement on first hand accounts of people who lived with him (not those who know him through books and lectures). Please also consider that these devotees are all well educated, well mannered and wealthy. Why would they abandon him? Do we really think they conspired against him? What would they gain? Obviously what they saw made them leave him. But OK believe whatever you want. You can fool some people sometimes and can fool yourself all the time. on

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

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PADA: Srila Prabhupada says that we should not even look at the faces of mundane prophets and leaders (like Alex Jones) because seeing their faces is sinful activity. Prahlad says, lets advertise Alex Jones and make money selling his divine preaching; lets make money by having everyone look at Alex Jones face; and worse, lets all hear the "illuminated speaking" from people like Alex Jones and their paranoid and deluded lectures. 

Prahlad even said that since they are advertising for these illuminati people "lots of people are visiting their site," and thus -- buying their DVDs. Alex Jones was apparently at a gun owners meeting saying these gun hunters should have the right to have assault weapons. He is in favor of people having more guns. 

Unfortunately, many people with guns in America hunt and kill animals. Why is Prahlad advertising for people who are promoting guns, which often means -- hunting and killing animals, and using the photos and name of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna to help advertise -- persons promoting guns, hunting and killing animals. Even the humans cannot escape from guns? 

So that is what this is all about, Prahlad and his group are making money selling these beef eating and animal hunting people's "divine speaking." And apart from that, Prahlad is also saying that ISKCON is a fully owned operation that belongs to Satan. And he says by his publicly advertising that ISKCON = equals = Satan, that will fix the name of ISKCON. Really? Even the bogus GBC does not say that ISKCON equals Satan, we have to give them that much credit. ys pd   

Sample of Alex Jones issues: 
http://www.collegenews.com/article/alex_jones_goes_beserk_over_gun_rights

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