Who Will Be the First To Reject Their False Guruship?
I have been reading your (Prabhupadanugas) website and I am wondering what would happen if one guru threw off his guru-ship status and cried out to Prabhupada to forgive him of his offences? What would he do next? To my mind he would have to give up all of his disciples very carefully by explaining why he cheated them by pretending to be a guru in direct disobedience of his very own guru Prabhupada.
[PADA: A devotee in India told us he confronted some GBC gurus in Vrndavana about this very topic, and they agreed, very few people accept that they are "gurus" anymore, due to past and ongoing scandals and deviations -- and their whole program is gradually being exposed as a sham and scam. Even Badrinarayana das wrote -- that there is no credibility in ANY guru program where the gurus keep falling down into illicit affairs.
But, some of these gurus argued, "What else can we do now? Suppose we renounce our guru status, then we will have no income, no bank balance, no dwelling, no servants, and we'd all have to go out and get a job like the rest of the devotees who left. We are simply too old to go out and get a job now, so we have to play this guru game for the rest of out lives, we are stuck with it economically." Yep, its a business.]
*** Then he would have to teach them about Prabhupada and how they can take more and more shelter of Prabhupada and less and less of himself. This must be done first. Until and unless these devotees do this they will continue to cheat us and lie to us and make offence at the lotus feet of Prabhupada. If just one of them can do this, then others will have a good example to follow and then they too can do the same.
The ones that are left will be known as first class cheaters for everyone will see them as the naked emperor.
My guru did not do this, but when I saw him fall down I knew for sure he was not a pure devotee, because pure devotees do not act like this. So I immediately took shelter from Prabhupada and the more I did the more I was happy.
I still see my old guru taking so much respect and donations from all his disciples, but I know he has not changed. There are still new stories about his problems with sex desire and his not chanting and following, but everyone keeps this very quiet -- especially his disciples, who get very angry if there is any talk about this.
Over many years I have been devotee I have seen many problems in our ISKCON and so many devotees are unhappy after spending some years following their "guru" but after sometime they grow suspicious of their guru, because they gradually realize that their guru only is after donations and you must work for him looking after his needs, washing his clothes, cooking for him special preps of sumptuous food, often many times better than the Deities in Temple are being offered.
If you divert from this process, then immediately you are noticed by the other devotees who begin to cause you trouble. When your guru notices this, he also gets angry and many times casts you away from him. No direct service for him means, then you cannot stay in the Temple or do any service until you change back again.
When I was in his camp, I knew nothing of Prabhupada but only guru maharaja. When we did guru puja we would all be happy to sing for Prabhupada, but everyone gets many times more happy singing and jumping for guru maharaja. Now I am not sure about going to the Temple, for many years now. I do not feel welcome by my old god brothers and sisters. I am now an enemy. I am still devotee, still I am chanting doing everything I did before but now there is no service for me at Temple all because I now worship Prabhupada and not my old guru maharaja.
This I now know is very wrong. Everyone should be welcome in Krishna Temple not just the disciples of this guru or that guru, but everyone. Now I do not know where to go for my spiritual life my old Temple is against me and every other Temple close by has another guru in charge. In the whole of Europe there is no Temple for Prabhupada.
[PADA: This is a big problem in Europe. There is no official Prabhupada temple that we know of, although some of our friends have had a huge church donated to them near Madrid Spain, which they want to convert into a vaishnava / Prabhupadanuga program. Perhaps this will be our first actual residential dwelling there for making devotees, having programs / and overall temple process.
Guys like Prahlad are now complaining that Madhu Pandit is "making his temples too big," ummm, meanwhile Prahlad types cannot afford to set up even a teeny pup tent in Europe for a program, nor have they done anything like that since 1977. So, our Prabhupadanuga programs are too big, therefore, lets not even have a pup tent sized program, lets have zero program? These guys cannot even afford a teeny sized camping tent program, and they are complaining that other's buildings are -- too big? Anyway! There needs to be something going on in Europe for these types of devotees as in this letter. There is no organized regular temple style program that we know of there, and there does not seem to be any on the horizon, except for our friends near Madrid.]
*** In beginning I said if one guru take off his guruship status and became humble servant of Prabhupada then maybe others will follow his example. I know in my heart that one day this will happen for this is not our or the guru movement it belongs to Prabhupada.
I am very, very happy to read many devotees who are thinking the same way like I am in the website Prabhupada Vision. I am praying with my heart full of hope that everything will change so that we can all work together to create a wonderful sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Caitanya mangal das
I have been reading your (Prabhupadanugas) website and I am wondering what would happen if one guru threw off his guru-ship status and cried out to Prabhupada to forgive him of his offences? What would he do next? To my mind he would have to give up all of his disciples very carefully by explaining why he cheated them by pretending to be a guru in direct disobedience of his very own guru Prabhupada.
[PADA: A devotee in India told us he confronted some GBC gurus in Vrndavana about this very topic, and they agreed, very few people accept that they are "gurus" anymore, due to past and ongoing scandals and deviations -- and their whole program is gradually being exposed as a sham and scam. Even Badrinarayana das wrote -- that there is no credibility in ANY guru program where the gurus keep falling down into illicit affairs.
But, some of these gurus argued, "What else can we do now? Suppose we renounce our guru status, then we will have no income, no bank balance, no dwelling, no servants, and we'd all have to go out and get a job like the rest of the devotees who left. We are simply too old to go out and get a job now, so we have to play this guru game for the rest of out lives, we are stuck with it economically." Yep, its a business.]
*** Then he would have to teach them about Prabhupada and how they can take more and more shelter of Prabhupada and less and less of himself. This must be done first. Until and unless these devotees do this they will continue to cheat us and lie to us and make offence at the lotus feet of Prabhupada. If just one of them can do this, then others will have a good example to follow and then they too can do the same.
The ones that are left will be known as first class cheaters for everyone will see them as the naked emperor.
My guru did not do this, but when I saw him fall down I knew for sure he was not a pure devotee, because pure devotees do not act like this. So I immediately took shelter from Prabhupada and the more I did the more I was happy.
I still see my old guru taking so much respect and donations from all his disciples, but I know he has not changed. There are still new stories about his problems with sex desire and his not chanting and following, but everyone keeps this very quiet -- especially his disciples, who get very angry if there is any talk about this.
Over many years I have been devotee I have seen many problems in our ISKCON and so many devotees are unhappy after spending some years following their "guru" but after sometime they grow suspicious of their guru, because they gradually realize that their guru only is after donations and you must work for him looking after his needs, washing his clothes, cooking for him special preps of sumptuous food, often many times better than the Deities in Temple are being offered.
If you divert from this process, then immediately you are noticed by the other devotees who begin to cause you trouble. When your guru notices this, he also gets angry and many times casts you away from him. No direct service for him means, then you cannot stay in the Temple or do any service until you change back again.
When I was in his camp, I knew nothing of Prabhupada but only guru maharaja. When we did guru puja we would all be happy to sing for Prabhupada, but everyone gets many times more happy singing and jumping for guru maharaja. Now I am not sure about going to the Temple, for many years now. I do not feel welcome by my old god brothers and sisters. I am now an enemy. I am still devotee, still I am chanting doing everything I did before but now there is no service for me at Temple all because I now worship Prabhupada and not my old guru maharaja.
This I now know is very wrong. Everyone should be welcome in Krishna Temple not just the disciples of this guru or that guru, but everyone. Now I do not know where to go for my spiritual life my old Temple is against me and every other Temple close by has another guru in charge. In the whole of Europe there is no Temple for Prabhupada.
[PADA: This is a big problem in Europe. There is no official Prabhupada temple that we know of, although some of our friends have had a huge church donated to them near Madrid Spain, which they want to convert into a vaishnava / Prabhupadanuga program. Perhaps this will be our first actual residential dwelling there for making devotees, having programs / and overall temple process.
Guys like Prahlad are now complaining that Madhu Pandit is "making his temples too big," ummm, meanwhile Prahlad types cannot afford to set up even a teeny pup tent in Europe for a program, nor have they done anything like that since 1977. So, our Prabhupadanuga programs are too big, therefore, lets not even have a pup tent sized program, lets have zero program? These guys cannot even afford a teeny sized camping tent program, and they are complaining that other's buildings are -- too big? Anyway! There needs to be something going on in Europe for these types of devotees as in this letter. There is no organized regular temple style program that we know of there, and there does not seem to be any on the horizon, except for our friends near Madrid.]
*** In beginning I said if one guru take off his guruship status and became humble servant of Prabhupada then maybe others will follow his example. I know in my heart that one day this will happen for this is not our or the guru movement it belongs to Prabhupada.
I am very, very happy to read many devotees who are thinking the same way like I am in the website Prabhupada Vision. I am praying with my heart full of hope that everything will change so that we can all work together to create a wonderful sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Caitanya mangal das
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